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Splitting the bill

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Let’s go out to dinner. Let’s have Christmas lunch. Party of ten. Table of six. I’m not drinking. I only had two glasses of wine, everyone else polished off a bottle.

Back in the good old days – were you there? I’m struggling to remember them – people went out to dinner and split the bill. I always winced when a friend of mine, an extremely lovely person who never touches a drop, got stung for other people’s wine guzzling. I once raised the matter, but being the polite guy that he is, he quietly slapped it down (you won’t be surprised to hear that the man in question was a struggling postgrad student at the time: why is that people without money tend to be more generous?)

Another friend went out to dinner with her siblings, who have a lot of money and drink a lot, and decided to stay off the wine and skip the starter and dessert. She found herself paying an extra €60 when the consensus was to split the bill. It stuck in her craw; on successive outings, she insisted on going Dutch, despite feeling she was being labelled a cheapskate.

I thought those days had ended, and people were more inclined to go Dutch now. At a lovely lunch for nine adults and four kids in The Exchequer, we all paid for what we had eaten or drunk ourselves. Yes, it was a painfully fidgety process, but it was the fairest thing to do.

But at a recent dinner, the decision was to split the bill across a large party, many of whom had only met for the first time that evening. In this instance, everyone had more or less the same, and someone else paid for part of my meal. I had some reservations about this,  but the madness of crowds swept my murmurings away.

When you’re with friends, it’s a bit easier to speak up in favour of going Dutch, but a little bit more socially awkward if you’re with colleagues or new acquaintances.

Do you go Dutch, or do you split the bill? And have you ever been stung for someone else’s bottle of wine?

17 Comments

  1. As a non-drinker I have often paid €10-€20 extra for a meal because others were guzzling the wine. I’m a very assertive person but have learned from pas experience that it is better for me to order an expensive starter and main to make up that money than to ruin the atmosphere of the night by quibbling. Maybe that’s why I’m poor 😉 And yes, I am also a graduate student!

  2. I am the one who eats a main course only and doesn’t drink and ends up paying over 40 euros for a salad. I was sometimes lucky that friends were considerate enough to ask me to pay my share and then split the rest equally between them. This is what my work colleagues always did. Sometimes, though, some people just take advantage of people like me and most often than not it is people I barely know. I know stay away from them, or I just announce at the start of the meal that I am not paying over the odds for a rather simple main course. I don’t care whether people think I’m stringy, I have a mortgage and kids and I don’t go out often.

  3. dividing the entire bill evenly among a large party is a real PITA.

    If someone has obviously spent less (the 2 obvious cases being not drinking, or eating fewer courses) then I think their portion of the bill should be split out, but otherwise I think you just have to suck it up…

  4. I often attend work parties where I can’t drink due to the fact that I’m driving. In those cases, I ask for the food portion to be split equally amongst those who ate, and the drinks split to be split equally amongst those who drank.

    I have no hesitation in doing this – if it’s been a big night, it can mean €20+ difference to me. I’m not going to subsidise someone else’s alcohol. Otherwise, I’m pretty easy going.

  5. I usually insist that we all pay for our own, as Im usually a wine guzzler eating with veggies and teetotallers, so everyone agrees readily! When people have money they forget what its like to be broke. If its a work thing (Im out of work at the moment but in the past) I would be less insistent about it, as its harder when you don’t know the people well. Those dinners are rare enough though. I think its best to get a few people on board prior to the dinner and then 2 or 3 of ye can suggest it (paying for your own) and its more of a consensus decision then. Nobody really wants others to pay for them or to get stuck with a hefty bill that’s not theirs.

  6. I actually agree with Liam; unless the difference between your order and everyone else’s is seriously stark, I feel as if you should suck it up. I don’t know anyone who goes out for group meals too often – when you do, would you not just accept that it’ll set you back €50-€60 and budget for same? I feel as if it often balances out, too; next time you might order a more expensive main… It really bothers me when people insist on paying individually. We’re all grown-ups and it’s just money.
    I think in a way it stems from my thinking that talking about money is just a bit distasteful, so when people start going, “well I only want to pay for my salad”, I get a bit mortified for them. Snobby, maybe, but I just don’t like talking about money. If you only have €20 (in my opinion), you don’t go out with a big group of friends for dinner; you meet them afterwards.

  7. Rosemary, “we are all grown ups and it’s just money”? What does that mean?
    People might not be as well off as their friends but that’s no reason for them to miss out. Unless you really want to try out a new restaurant, or have a gourmet experience, the right thing to do would be to agree on a place that everyone can afford, and if your friend is less well off, ensure that they don’t pay over the odds for their meal. The important thing is obviously to spend time with your firends

  8. There’s no need to be mortified for anyone Rosemary. In most places (that I’ve been to at least) all it takes is to ask the waiter to give you separate bills and they are happy to oblige, in fact often they ask themselves.

    Sure if a person just happened to have a cheaper dish once it might be a little overzealous to insist on itemising the bill just for this one-off saving. However, if you are not a big eater, you’re a veggie and you don’t drink you will be the one picking up the tab regularly, and that’s not cool. It would not be fair for your friends to accept it on regular basis.

  9. Rosemary – Jesus Christ, could you possibly be any more of a spoilt, over-privileged little rich kid?

  10. I get inexplicably mortified when the bill comes after a group meal and everyone gets persnickity about what they want to pay for. I always vote for splitting it, even though I usually get the short end of the stick cos I don’t eat meat. It just makes it go away quicker. Having said that, I moved to America last year and servers here often ask if you’ll want checks separately before you even order. It makes things so much easier (and fairer)

  11. That’s a bit unpleasant Sam, is there really any need to resort to name-calling? People are entitled to different opinions, that is, after all, why Peter asked. Rosemary, while I don’t think talking about money is all that distasteful I do agree with your other point; if you can’t afford to go out for a group meal then don’t go. I think if you’re meeting friends for dinner/lunch you should have whatever you want and just split the bill equally. I feel a bit differently if someone is not drinking, which is highly unusual for my group of friends, in that case, yes, split the drinks and food bills fairly. I’ve been stung with splitting the bill before (ie: not having had a starter/dessert etc) but it’s not something that’s ever bothered me, and believe me, I’m no “spoilt, over-privileged rich kid”.

  12. Speaking as a regular Bill splitter and an ex waitress, the whole thing is about laying down ground rules. #

    Agree before hand whether you are going Dutch or splitting the bill giving friends the opportunity to make an informed choices when dining, and will give the staff a chance to start separate bills from the outset if you so wish (it is next to impossible to split a bill for a large table including 4 courses and drinks, when asked at the end of the meal).

    In a large group assume you are splitting, the point of the evening is to enjoy each others company not to quibble about who ate what. It is the organisers responsibility to host the evening, if you are particularly cash strapped or your diet/drinking preferences leave you deficient of bang for your buck have a discreet work with them to agree that you pay your share without the drama.

    Personally I think splitting is the way to go when out with friends, if someone is not drinking then naturally they shouldn’t have to fork out what amounts to the cost of the meals over again. Much like non drinkers in a round (they only get drinks in in every second round) this is on a case by case basis. Starters and desserts are not wallet busters lets be honest.

    Plus as a waitress I hated last minute bill scrutineers as I have often been stiffed by them a. insisting on paying separately in separate transactions (in one such case all leaving after paying and when added up had not paid their full bill) b. demanding pens, paper, calculators and twenty minutes working out time in the middle of busy service c. Not tipping

  13. I think lilwell sums up my feelings too- if you all agree at the start that you are splitting the bill then there is no problem- I know some particular tight friends who if they know that we are going dutch order something small but when we are splitting they order extra drinks, sides, deserts coffees etc. Maybe it’s because they know they have to pay equal anyway but I just find they are taking advantage.

    I was out with friends in Munich at a lovely restaurant and the waitress totted up our bills individually and we paid at the table in turn- it was lovely and we all tipped individually too at that point by giving more than she asked. This would be my preference for groups of 5 or less. Anymore that that and if you go dutch you should be adult enough to add up your share and put it in the pot- one person HAS to take responsibilty for this part and I usually dont mind (even when I have to remind people of courses they forgot to include or the 15% service charge alot of places add).

  14. I’m usually the one who is handed the bill and told to tell everyone how much to pay. I guess it comes from working in a restaurant for years. Generally, I add up the booze, divide by the number of drinkers; divide the balance by the total number there, and we have the amount due from each person.
    However, when I’m out with a certain group of friends, we all know that we will be left short, even if we all say that we’re splitting the bill equally. One lady in particular *always* gives too little money, and it’s on everyone else to cover the balance. She doesn’t even cover everything she ate/drank, never mind leaving a tip. When there’s someone like that in the group, I can fully understand when some people want to insist on going Dutch – it’s annoying enough to pay more than the sum of the parts of your meal, without having to cover someone else’s cheapness.

  15. I’m a little surprised at people saying they get mortified, shouldn’t friends be able to be candid with each other about this kind of thing? I understand being uncomfortable talking about money but I would be way more uncomfortable at the idea that someone on a tight budget had to subsidise my dinner!

    I think there’s a very easy solution though – if you’re on a tight budget, mention it at the start of the meal before ordering. If you’re not, be the considerate person at the end of the meal who asks – did we all have more or less the same, should we split the bill or work it out – rather than just assuming. I find that’s what my mates do and it’s rarely an issue.

  16. I found these comments very interesting but I am interested in hearing some opinions on the matter of splitting a bill when on a date of first date for instance?? what are the rules that apply now??

  17. I am also wondering considering the whole issue around spliiting bills seem’s to annoy restaurant’s, can they not learn something from the comments on this topic?? why are restaurants not willing to allow guest to pay individulally alas -I know it involves more work but tips will and should improve, no???